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Post by lee_ooi on Mon 26 Nov 2007, 11:20 pm

Saya masih musykil dengan 2 istilah tersebutla..

Juru Xray - Orang yang mengendalikan mesin xray
Radiographer - Dia boleh jadi juruXray, kendali ultrasound, CT scan,
MRI, Angiography, radiography, fluoroscopy

Betul ke?

Masih keliru.
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Post by Rays on Tue 27 Nov 2007, 4:48 pm

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Post by second on Tue 27 Nov 2007, 11:07 pm

since dh tanya pasal nama jawatan nih! apa kata kita masing2 bg cadangan nama baru yg sesuai utk jawatan juru x-ray! sbb sekarang ni JXR bukan lg hanya mengendalikan mesin x-ray sahaja! kita dh lebih kepada mengendalikan teknologi pelbagai jenis equipment yg ada diantaranya tidak menggunakan sinar X! isu ni dh diutarakan oleh Mr. Choo Pen Too (chief radiographer HSI JB) dalam MSR. beliau ada cadangkan tukar kepada 'medical imaging technologist'! amacam yang lain2?
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Post by Zero Cool on Tue 27 Nov 2007, 11:33 pm

sokong bro second...sokong...aku pung numpang glamor....wakakakakaka
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Post by voo5733 on Tue 27 Nov 2007, 11:51 pm

radiographer, tp utk BM, sesuai ditukar kepada Pegawai Radiologi. sesuai x??
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Post by sHy on Tue 27 Nov 2007, 11:56 pm

hehehe.....apa punyer turr...

setahu sHy lah kan...
radiographer dgn radioteraphist sungguh lah berbeza..
sbb hmate sHy radioteraphist...dia ckp lah..
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Post by second on Wed 28 Nov 2007, 12:00 am

ok gak tu! tp since kita cuma lulusan diploma.... title 'pegawai' tu tak valid! maybe for those yg ada degree leh la kot! Medical imaging technologist = juruteknologi pengimejan perubatan! panjang la pulak kan? tp ok gak! klu JXR terapi skarang dh start guna 'radiation therapist'... kita???
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Post by sHy on Wed 28 Nov 2007, 12:32 am

nama ada peranan ker??
kang tak pepasai beban bertambah..
MO jugak yg rilek jadi tekniksen....hoho
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Hormat


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Post by second on Wed 28 Nov 2007, 1:33 pm

apa ada pada nama???? tp klu nak recognition dr pihak atasan kenalah nama yang spesifik n up to date! bukanla nak memandai tukar nama! MA pun dh tukar kpd PPP! beban kerja? bertambah atau tidak bukan sebab nama jawatan! klu nama tak tukar pun beban kerja tetap bertambah! klu setakat nama 'jurugambar perubatan' tu operator2 kat klinik yg x de diploma pun tak nak!!!! Very Happy
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Post by AZS on Wed 28 Nov 2007, 8:23 pm

kat tempat kami pulak..ada yg cadangkan kalu radiographer tukaq dalam bahasa melayu jadi PENOLONG PEGAWAI PENGIMEJAN DIAGNOSTIK...kalau radiologist pulak jadi PEGAWAI PENGIMEJAN DIAGNOSTIK...

apa nak muskil2....JURU X-RAY @ RADIOGRAPHER sama saja yg boleh handle mesin x-ray termasuk CT Scan,MRI,angiografi dan yg sewaktu dengannya

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Post by second on Wed 28 Nov 2007, 8:52 pm

Radiologist mmg dh lama tukar n gunakan 'pakar pengimejan diagnostik' @ pakar radiologi (direct translation dr 'radiologist')! previously 'pakar x-ray'! TQ azie... cuma klu Pen. Peg. Pengimejan Diagnostik tu pjg la plak rsnyer ( Ass. Diagnostic Imaging Officer)... hui....! cuma suggest klu JXR diploma jd MIT (med. imaging technologist) and degree holder leh jd MIO (med. imaging officer)!
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Post by zulisk on Wed 28 Nov 2007, 11:27 pm

salam.
ni saya forward kan email dari somebody yang maybe ramai lum kenai.

PROFESSION NAME CHANGE – WHAT’S IN A NAME?

I am here again bringing up the same old issue which I had raised years ago(Year 1999 to be exact) in one of our MSR AGMs i.e. proposing a name change to our profession and to enhance our professional image. I am at it again mainly because of two reasons – firstly I was ‘fired-up’ by our Malaysian First Angkasawan and secondly I was ‘fascinated’ by the name our new MSR team used to described our MSR in the Internet portal viz. MEDICAL IMAGING PROFESSIONAL not some name associated with x-ray. Dr. Sheikh Muszaphar’s flight into the outer space signaled an advanced era we(Malaysians) are all in now. So we(radiographers) should not be left behind by our brethren in other medical fraternity and should instead be adopting a different mindset now – in keeping tandem with times, that is.

Right from the beginning when I first advocated the name change, I had stated that a name for a profession should rightly or correctly reflect what one is doing. It is as clear as water that a ‘Juru X-Ray’ is ONLY dealing with x-ray in his/her daily work. Is this what we are doing currently? The answer is definitely “NO”. Simply because we are not only using x-rays as our source for imaging, but also magnetism as in MRI, soundwaves as in ultrasonography, gamma-ray as in Nuclear Medicine. You might argue that majority of us are using x-rays as our source, so the name ‘Juru X-Ray’ is appropriate! ! But is that so? Can, say a MR Radiographer calls himself/herself a Juru X-Ray when he is only dealing with electromagnetic waves or RF and not x-rays or a Sonographer calls herself a Juru X-Ray when she is only using soundwaves as her source for imaging and x-ray has no business at all in her daily work?? Now, is that appropriate??? Why can’t we, for example, adopt a new name that fits all -irrespective if one is doing only pure x-ray work as in some remote places or a sophisticated MR Radiographer who is doing only MR work in a trendy hospital? I used to suggest using for example, Medical Imaging Technologist which in my humble opinion fits us all mainly because we are all doing the work of imaging, regardless of what sources we are using. Of course, other names of similar nature could be considered as well. If necessary, let’s throw in a naming competition!


I don’t know how many of you would remember we were once the ‘leaders’ in the paramedic group- belonged to the Kumpulan B- just one rung below the degree-holders BUT one rung above the Pembantu Hospital, Jururawat, Pembancuh Ubat, Pembantu Makmal etc.They rose both salarywise and namewise. But, sadly, where are we now? They have been vibrant in pursuit of their careers whilst the poor us have remained stagnant. They have befitting names depicting their beloved professions such as Penolong Pegawai Perubatan( from Hospital Assistant to Medical Assistant to currently), Pembantu Farmasi(Pharmacy Assistant), Fisioterapis, Juruteknologi Makmal Perubatan(Medical Laboratory Technologist) while we are still so nolstagic about ‘Juru X-Ray’!! Come on guys, it’s time for change! Even our bosses have changed theirs from Pakar X-Ray to Pakar Radiologi to Pakar Pengimejan Diagnostik so has our department from Jabatan X-Ray to Jabatan Radiologi to Jabatan Pengimejan Diagnostik!! The training colleges, be it private or public, only provide Medical Imaging courses nowadays, no more x-ray courses like in the past. Know what, even the new degree graduates were officially given the title ‘Pegawai Pengimejan U41/42’ as stated in the recently-released ABM 2007. If the degree-holders were named ‘Pegawai Pengimejan’ why can’t we be named ‘Juruteknologi Pengimejan’? The saddest part of the whole story is that our MSR leaders at that time did not take the cue from our former Timbalan Ketua Pengarah(Perubatan) Dato’Dr. Megat Burhanuddin when he suggested that we should change our ‘Juru X-Ray’ to some more befitting names during his speech at the AGM dinner on that very day that I proposed the change! Just to reinforce what ‘outsiders’ are thinking about our professional name- one day two years ago, my daughter came back to tell me, after attending a Career Guidance Talk at a private hospital, that the Chief Surgeon of that hospital when introducing the speaker ( a Juru X-Ray) to talk on ‘ A Career in Radiography’ commented that the name ‘Juru X-Ray’ was outdated and irrelevant and suggested a change should be made by the relevant people! Do we really need those ‘outside’ people to tell us what we should do? No wonder we are always tagging and lagging behind others over the past few decades!

Guys, if you think that a name means nothing, then you are terribly wrong! An appropriately-given name may give a moral-lift to the person imagewise, sound professional (so he has to act professionally) , and most important of all, it depicts what he is actually doing. We also want to be differentiated from the Juru X-Ray(Terapi) . Do you know that there are Juru X-Ray(Terapi) posts created in hospitals where Oncology/Therapy Departments are non-existant? For instances, Juru X-Ray(Terapi) U29-U36 posts were created in HSAJB and Hospital Pakar Sultanah Fatimah Muar where Radiotherapy Departments do not exist at all. Was it possible that the KKM HR people are confused that Juru X-Ray means the same thing irrespective whether they are (D) or (T)? That possibly explains the shortage of (D) posts in some Johore hospitals when the HR people thought that they have created abundant Juru X-Ray posts in that state! I am very happy see that some Juru X-Ray(Terapi) are calling themselves “ Radiation Therapists” which I think is very appropriate for them. The evidence are right before our very eyes. Of the many paramedics who had taken the changes, why, for example, did the Pembantu Hospital of yesteryears took so much trouble to change to Pembantu Perubatan and then to Penolong Pegawai Perubatan recently? Even the Atenden Hospital had ‘revolutionised’ their names to Pembantu Perawatan Kesihatan! Why can’t we? Why shouldn’t we? Why aren’t we? Why musn’t we?

All said, I am doing this not for my personal glory or anything but for our posterity(Juru X-Ray) as I personally am already in my twilight years of service with nothing much to clamour for. I strongly feel that we should not be left behind by the others in KKM and I also hope to see the new MSR leaders rise to the occasion as far as this is concerned.
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saya harap lepas ni all junior radiographer akan lebih arif pasai halatuju. xyah gaduh2 just print out apa dia ni kata pastu tempek kat department masing2. jika xmau jangan dok crita mcm2.pikiaq dulu apa nak cakap. baru profesional bro...

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Post by second on Wed 28 Nov 2007, 11:29 pm

TQ! zulisk! tu la yg aku cuba terangkan kt diorang nih!!!!! tp apa nk buat! sumer keje nk mkn gaji jek! vision? halatuju? prihatin? serius?....... campak ke laut je la.......
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Post by zulisk on Thu 29 Nov 2007, 12:21 am

depa ni budak baru lagi.yang depa tau duit!duit!duit!

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Post by Deuce on Thu 29 Nov 2007, 12:39 am

Bro,tambah lg sikit jer bleh?
Duit pon duit gak,tapi keberkatan yang kita cari.
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Mr Choo Pen Too wrote: PROFESSION NAME CHANGE – WHAT’S IN A NAME?

I am here again bringing up the same old issue which I had raised years ago(Year 1999 to be exact) in one of our MSR AGMs i.e. proposing a name change to our profession and to enhance our professional image. I am at it again mainly because of two reasons – firstly I was ‘fired-up’ by our Malaysian First Angkasawan and secondly I was ‘fascinated’ by the name our new MSR team used to described our MSR in the Internet portal viz. MEDICAL IMAGING PROFESSIONAL not some name associated with x-ray. Dr. Sheikh Muszaphar’s flight into the outer space signaled an advanced era we(Malaysians) are all in now. So we(radiographers) should not be left behind by our brethren in other medical fraternity and should instead be adopting a different mindset now – in keeping tandem with times, that is.

Right from the beginning when I first advocated the name change, I had stated that a name for a profession should rightly or correctly reflect what one is doing. It is as clear as water that a ‘Juru X-Ray’ is ONLY dealing with x-ray in his/her daily work. Is this what we are doing currently? The answer is definitely “NO”. Simply because we are not only using x-rays as our source for imaging, but also magnetism as in MRI, soundwaves as in ultrasonography, gamma-ray as in Nuclear Medicine. You might argue that majority of us are using x-rays as our source, so the name ‘Juru X-Ray’ is appropriate! ! But is that so? Can, say a MR Radiographer calls himself/herself a Juru X-Ray when he is only dealing with electromagnetic waves or RF and not x-rays or a Sonographer calls herself a Juru X-Ray when she is only using soundwaves as her source for imaging and x-ray has no business at all in her daily work?? Now, is that appropriate??? Why can’t we, for example, adopt a new name that fits all -irrespective if one is doing only pure x-ray work as in some remote places or a sophisticated MR Radiographer who is doing only MR work in a trendy hospital? I used to suggest using for example, Medical Imaging Technologist which in my humble opinion fits us all mainly because we are all doing the work of imaging, regardless of what sources we are using. Of course, other names of similar nature could be considered as well. If necessary, let’s throw in a naming competition!


I don’t know how many of you would remember we were once the ‘leaders’ in the paramedic group- belonged to the Kumpulan B- just one rung below the degree-holders BUT one rung above the Pembantu Hospital, Jururawat, Pembancuh Ubat, Pembantu Makmal etc.They rose both salarywise and namewise. But, sadly, where are we now? They have been vibrant in pursuit of their careers whilst the poor us have remained stagnant. They have befitting names depicting their beloved professions such as Penolong Pegawai Perubatan( from Hospital Assistant to Medical Assistant to currently), Pembantu Farmasi(Pharmacy Assistant), Fisioterapis, Juruteknologi Makmal Perubatan(Medical Laboratory Technologist) while we are still so nolstagic about ‘Juru X-Ray’!! Come on guys, it’s time for change! Even our bosses have changed theirs from Pakar X-Ray to Pakar Radiologi to Pakar Pengimejan Diagnostik so has our department from Jabatan X-Ray to Jabatan Radiologi to Jabatan Pengimejan Diagnostik!! The training colleges, be it private or public, only provide Medical Imaging courses nowadays, no more x-ray courses like in the past. Know what, even the new degree graduates were officially given the title ‘Pegawai Pengimejan U41/42’ as stated in the recently-released ABM 2007. If the degree-holders were named ‘Pegawai Pengimejan’ why can’t we be named ‘Juruteknologi Pengimejan’? The saddest part of the whole story is that our MSR leaders at that time did not take the cue from our former Timbalan Ketua Pengarah(Perubatan) Dato’Dr. Megat Burhanuddin when he suggested that we should change our ‘Juru X-Ray’ to some more befitting names during his speech at the AGM dinner on that very day that I proposed the change! Just to reinforce what ‘outsiders’ are thinking about our professional name- one day two years ago, my daughter came back to tell me, after attending a Career Guidance Talk at a private hospital, that the Chief Surgeon of that hospital when introducing the speaker ( a Juru X-Ray) to talk on ‘ A Career in Radiography’ commented that the name ‘Juru X-Ray’ was outdated and irrelevant and suggested a change should be made by the relevant people! Do we really need those ‘outside’ people to tell us what we should do? No wonder we are always tagging and lagging behind others over the past few decades!

Guys, if you think that a name means nothing, then you are terribly wrong! An appropriately-given name may give a moral-lift to the person imagewise, sound professional (so he has to act professionally) , and most important of all, it depicts what he is actually doing. We also want to be differentiated from the Juru X-Ray(Terapi) . Do you know that there are Juru X-Ray(Terapi) posts created in hospitals where Oncology/Therapy Departments are non-existant? For instances, Juru X-Ray(Terapi) U29-U36 posts were created in HSAJB and Hospital Pakar Sultanah Fatimah Muar where Radiotherapy Departments do not exist at all. Was it possible that the KKM HR people are confused that Juru X-Ray means the same thing irrespective whether they are (D) or (T)? That possibly explains the shortage of (D) posts in some Johore hospitals when the HR people thought that they have created abundant Juru X-Ray posts in that state! I am very happy see that some Juru X-Ray(Terapi) are calling themselves “ Radiation Therapists” which I think is very appropriate for them. The evidence are right before our very eyes. Of the many paramedics who had taken the changes, why, for example, did the Pembantu Hospital of yesteryears took so much trouble to change to Pembantu Perubatan and then to Penolong Pegawai Perubatan recently? Even the Atenden Hospital had ‘revolutionised’ their names to Pembantu Perawatan Kesihatan! Why can’t we? Why shouldn’t we? Why aren’t we? Why musn’t we?

All said, I am doing this not for my personal glory or anything but for our posterity(Juru X-Ray) as I personally am already in my twilight years of service with nothing much to clamour for. I strongly feel that we should not be left behind by the others in KKM and I also hope to see the new MSR leaders rise to the occasion as far as this is concerned.




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Kindly print this out and paste it at ur dept notice board.
Thanks for ur cooperation and understanding!

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Post by budak Itam on Thu 29 Nov 2007, 12:28 pm

jxr ke , radiografer ke, juru teknologi ape ke, jurugambar perubatan skali pong... korang smua cba tgk payslip.. sama tak?? atau telebih 1 digit?? hehehe Smile . kesimpulan nyer, keje je la.. keja lah seikhlas ati, bkn nk dpt nama kn. klu nk naik pangkat dudukilah PTK, moga2 dpt la aras IV. baru dpt jd pegawai,kuang3.... jgn marahhhhhh Very Happy
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Post by second on Thu 29 Nov 2007, 1:49 pm

sis! at least bc dulu e-mail by mr. choo pen too diatas! unless klu nko tak paham english...... mmg patut la komen nko mcm tu!
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Re: Juru X-ray vs Radiographer

Post by Deuce on Thu 29 Nov 2007, 2:16 pm

Dia bukan tak paham,
Tapi sajer buat2 tak paham.
Sometimes u hav to admit,its a bit difficult to make people understand.
Memang ko bleh cakap apa ada pada nama?
Tapi ko sedar tak,dalam agama pon dituntut untuk memberi nama yg cantik dan bermakna pada zuriat dan generasi akan datang.
Nama yg baik memberi influence yg baik.
Ko memang hitam ker budak itam?
Nuff said,kindly read carefully and wisely!
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Post by Zero Cool on Thu 29 Nov 2007, 2:19 pm

wakakakaka...fhm2....
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Re: Juru X-ray vs Radiographer

Post by budak Itam on Fri 30 Nov 2007, 3:49 pm

ha'ah, aku mmg itam (muke xlawa pong:roll: ) org panggil dayang senandung la:shock: .. ala bro, jgn mare aa. jiwa kaco aa smlm Laughing .. msh syahdu lg ni😢
maafla psl smlm,cma aku rase sebati ssgt ngan gelaran JXR tu kalu nk dibandingkan ngn cadangan nama lain yg dok sebut tu.. kebergantungan nama jawatan tu penting jgk. mcm PPP (cth je tau..) penolong pegawai perubatan, kalu buang pkataan penolong tu tinggal peg. perubatan je. kn nmpk dependant la kn.. tp ape2 hal pn aku hormatilah nama2 yg dh diberi tu kt paramedik lain. kalu nk tuka pn nama jwtn JXR ni, carilah yg ssuai n sdap n biler kte sebut je kte rs bangga dgn nama tu. btol la ape Mr Choo ckp,
nama mmpu mberi keyakinan diri. jd org pn bangga jgk nk sebut jawatan kte ape,kn..
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Re: Juru X-ray vs Radiographer

Post by Deuce on Fri 30 Nov 2007, 6:45 pm

U ar correct sis,
Tak marah pon la,don worri.
I respect ur opinion,its ur right to voice it out.
Memang nama JXR tu nostalgic,tapi bila org dah sampai kebulan takkan kita masih dok lagu tu jer.
Anyway tahniah atas keterbukaan anda menerima pandangan.
Dayang senandung? mcm aku perasan siapa empunya diri tu.. Wink
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